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Infinity Ziona Cloakers 611	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:12:00 - [1] - Quote This the main reason that something has to be changed regarding reinforcement timers and force projection. CFC, CFC lovers and CFC apologists will try to use an argument that goes something like this => "if you change the timers then we'll be able to stomp over everyone" or "that would hurt the little guys". This is not true. If a coalition of 37,000 players want to kill a little guy, timers mean zip, there is nothing that the little guys can do about it. However, if timers are changed it means the little guys can choose a time that's not chosen by 37,000 players, and don't have to how up at a time chosen by those 37,000 players to get wiped out by a massive supercap, capital and sub cap fleet that magically appeared in the system from the other side of the galaxy. History has shown that the bigger your empire gets, the harder it is to defend yourself against "the little guy". The longer the routes are for your armies and navy. The more spread out your forces need to be to defend your massive territory. The longer it takes for intel to get past along. For whatever reason CCP decided that these rules of massive empires didn't need to be in game and this is the result. 37,000 accounts, which is ludicrous, able to squash anyone in game because they get automatic messages from the server whenever anything they own is attacked, they get to choose when their territory is defended, they don't need to worry about the size of their territory and they can move the biggest ships in the game faster through bridging than the smallest fastest ships can move via gates. WTF are they smoking in Iceland?
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 611	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:41:00 - [2] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Timers give the defenders an opportunity to actually put up a defense. I realize that you believe that you are entitled to stand a chance in the sov game as a ~solo player~ but abloobloobloo the mechanics aren't entirely in my favor why does CCP favor the blob lol. here were go.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 611	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:44:00 - [3] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: This the main reason that something has to be changed regarding reinforcement timers and force projection. CFC, CFC lovers and CFC apologists will try to use an argument that goes something like this => "if you change the timers then we'll be able to stomp over everyone" or "that would hurt the little guys". This is not true. If a coalition of 37,000 players want to kill a little guy, timers mean zip, there is nothing that the little guys can do about it. However, if timers are changed it means the little guys can choose a time that's not chosen by 37,000 players, and don't have to show up at a time chosen by those 37,000 players to get wiped out by a massive supercap, capital and sub cap fleet that magically appeared in the system from the other side of the galaxy. History has shown that the bigger your empire gets, the harder it is to defend yourself against "the little guy". The longer the routes are for your armies and navy. The more spread out your forces need to be to defend your massive territory. The longer it takes for intel to get past along. For whatever reason CCP decided that these rules of massive empires didn't need to be in game and this is the result. 37,000 accounts, which is ludicrous, able to squash anyone in game because they get automatic messages from the server whenever anything they own is attacked, they get to choose when their territory is defended, they don't need to worry about the size of their territory and they can move the biggest ships in the game faster through bridging than the smallest fastest ships can move via gates. WTF are they smoking in Iceland? They are smoking video game reality, you should try it sometimes. Without force projection, most of the EVE fights that make the REAL WORLD news don't happen. Without reinforcement mechanics, the "blue doughnut" probably becomes a reality in less than a week (not because of goons steam rolling, but because of standard human aversion to loss ie people will just stop putting up structures in null rather than deal with the headace of having to replace them all the time...kinda like how people will quit rather than be forced out of high sec because this is a video game). What we have today (and what you always miss) is a system that works (reinforcement timers, local, cloaks and all). What you always propose (like that pure brilliance you post in features and ideas) doesn't take into account many actually knowable factors (let alone the less obvious or totally unknown factors). Your thinking never takes into account the 2 main (but not the only) factors that always make you wrong : -Basic human nature as expressed in a video game (ie human nature, but in a voluntary venue that the player can walk away from, unlike real life) -The fact that most (not many, most) people won't react like you in a given situation (making your narrow perspective predictions useless, because everyone would need to be a clone of Infinity Ziona for things to wrok the way you think they would). But as others like to say, don't let reason and logic stand in the way of a good grrrr...goons hate post. The game is not about making "the real news". Its about space ships in space. What we have is a completely broken system - most people I have spoken with agree, sov mechanics are terrible. That you would try to say they work pretty much sums up your entire post. Complete garbage.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 611	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:00:00 - [4] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: The game is not about making "the real news". Its about space ships in space. What we have is a completely broken system - most people I have spoken with agree, sov mechanics are terrible. That you would try to say they work pretty much sums up your entire post. Complete garbage. You never had much formal schooling, have you. I'm just goingn to start turning your posts into links for your education. Because I do think of the children. A 'completely" broken system would have no one holding SOV, and no sov changing hands. What happened after ccp went from that crazy Pos based sov system to the current one is that sov strated changing hands faster. It's not perfect, but the truth is that people will complain about ANY sov system. But like I said, don't let logic stop you here, it's never stopped you anywhere else lol. You're already educating me on how deluded and obsessively jealous some people get over video games :) Take a break from EvE. It'd do you the world of good. Then you can come back and post without all the emotive anguish you appear to have towards me.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:46:00 - [5] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Tron 3K wrote: Only thing I would change about the whole Planetside idea is figure out a way so it doesn't just keep changing over and over as that'll get quite boring kind of part of the reason why I quit becaus there really was no sense of accomplishment. Which is exactly why we have timers. And what exactly is wrong with bouncing back and forth. If you have a balanced alliance you should be able to keep a system. If you don't have a balanced alliance like mainly US CFC then you fail and should lose your systems. All wars have victories and losses, lose ground and gain ground. WWI trench warfare was a constant battle to gain an inch and then lose an inch for years and years. Its a lot better than this slow CFC creeping across half the map so far. The bigger CFC gets the less people will fight until there is no fighting. Won't that be fun.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:24:00 - [6] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Tron 3K wrote: everyone marches in a big long line and then fires at the same time. Cause thats what Timers mimic.. . So... like naval warfare in history until after WWII? Lol more like medieval warfare. Naval battles until the invention of over the horizon radar were almost always spontaneous engagements.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:59:00 - [7] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Imagine what warfare would be like if people only did it an hour or two a day or maybe only on weekends when they had some free time from their jobs, families, social activities, and other hobbies. That's the only kind of warfare Eve needs to simulate you dumb nerds. So you want to be immune from losing space in EvE with your 35000+ people because you have to work and sleep and spend time with family? That's a **** poor excuse for keeping the timers. There were no timers years ago when EvE had no POS and alliances managed to hold together and keep space to themselves by actually fighting for it. I'm pretty sure they had to work and sleep and poop too.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:15:00 - [8] - Quote Laserak wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: So you want to be immune from losing space in EvE I would dearly love to lose all our space and move into NPC 0.0 like in the days of yore. I really just want someone to invade us, really bad. Maybe one of those supercapital powerhouses I keep hearing about. Please invade us somebody Lol. You'll be waiting a while. Test flopped like a wet tissue, abandoned Fountain and Delve without a fight. Their pets ran away as fast as they could from PB and surrounding regions and then sold you those regions along with their stations. No one tried to take any of the vacated space. No one tried to defend it. Why? There really isn't any other 35000 man coalition and the stronger CFC gets the weaker the rest get. I don't see any chance of an invasion. We're stuck with a space rental simulator I think.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:22:00 - [9] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Johnny Marzetti wrote: Imagine what warfare would be like if people only did it an hour or two a day or maybe only on weekends when they had some free time from their jobs, families, social activities, and other hobbies. That's the only kind of warfare Eve needs to simulate you dumb nerds. So you want to be immune from losing space in EvE with your 35000+ people because you have to work and sleep and spend time with family? That's a **** poor excuse for keeping the timers. There were no timers years ago when EvE had no POS and alliances managed to hold together and keep space to themselves by actually fighting for it. I'm pretty sure they had to work and sleep and poop too. There's probably some market research at CCP that says poopsocking sperglords aren't a worthwhile market segment. Yeah they're probably some ex-WoW market research peoples or maybe Sony, EA yeah? They like to casualize and ruin good games.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:45:00 - [10] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Johnny Marzetti wrote: Imagine what warfare would be like if people only did it an hour or two a day or maybe only on weekends when they had some free time from their jobs, families, social activities, and other hobbies. That's the only kind of warfare Eve needs to simulate you dumb nerds. So you want to be immune from losing space in EvE with your 35000+ people because you have to work and sleep and spend time with family? That's a **** poor excuse for keeping the timers. There were no timers years ago when EvE had no POS and alliances managed to hold together and keep space to themselves by actually fighting for it. I'm pretty sure they had to work and sleep and poop too. There's probably some market research at CCP that says poopsocking sperglords aren't a worthwhile market segment. Yeah they're probably some ex-WoW market research peoples or maybe Sony, EA yeah? They like to casualize and ruin good games. "Casualize and ruin good games" Spoken by the person who vehemently argued that they should be able to take sov by themselves? More lies. I said I wanted to shoot a 100 million isk POCO without having to spend more on ammo than the stupid thing was worth and not have to wait 24 hours after it went into reinforced before coming back to get ganked by its owners... Seems pretty reasonable to me. EvE, blowing shite up... that's what I pay for, I dont' give a crap if you're asleep or at work... not my problem (except it is with timers)
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 612	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:04:00 - [11] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: hint there are ways to work around the defenders blobbing a timer and that is to simply reinforce a bunch of things, find several timers within a close window and attack the one they cede but that requires ~working with other players~ which is something you adamantly refuse to do, yet you believe you are entitled to win because you pay the princely sum of $15 every month Except such a strategy would just have CFC doing the same thing, except they could reinforce 10 times as many. You may get one but you lose 9...
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 613	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:11:00 - [12] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Except such a strategy would just have CFC doing the same thing, except they could reinforce 10 times as many. You may get one but you lose 9... as somebody who refuses to work with other players it shocks me that i cannot take on the largest and most successful coalition in the game Strawman so soon?
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 613	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:13:00 - [13] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: hint there are ways to work around the defenders blobbing a timer and that is to simply reinforce a bunch of things, find several timers within a close window and attack the one they cede but that requires ~working with other players~ which is something you adamantly refuse to do, yet you believe you are entitled to win because you pay the princely sum of $15 every month Except such a strategy would just have CFC doing the same thing, except they could reinforce 10 times as many. You may get one but you lose 9... You are actually upset that thousands of people working together can accomplish more than one person working alone. You're like Ayn Rand with autism. LMAO... I think I need to find a forum where people have basic comprehension skills... Having a discussion on this unmoderated forum is pointless. WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SOLO PLAY - ANSWER: NOWHERE You made it up.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 613	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:20:00 - [14] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: hint there are ways to work around the defenders blobbing a timer and that is to simply reinforce a bunch of things, find several timers within a close window and attack the one they cede but that requires ~working with other players~ which is something you adamantly refuse to do, yet you believe you are entitled to win because you pay the princely sum of $15 every month Except such a strategy would just have CFC doing the same thing, except they could reinforce 10 times as many. You may get one but you lose 9... You are actually upset that thousands of people working together can accomplish more than one person working alone. You're like Ayn Rand with autism. LMAO... I think I need to find a forum where people have basic comprehension skills... Having a discussion on this unmoderated forum is pointless. WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SOLO PLAY - ANSWER: NOWHERE You made it up. Maybe it's your use of words like "I" and "me" in every situation you've described so far. But if that's a misunderstanding then please, tell us about your team at the POCO. Oh you mean the POCO?... since when is every POCO in game owned by the in a serious and proud tone THE LARGEST AND MOST SUCCUSSFUL ALLIANCE IN GAME... lol I think you have a ways to go before you own all space. It wasn't a goon poco.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:53:00 - [15] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Oh you mean the POCO?... since when is every POCO in game owned by the in a serious and proud tone THE LARGEST AND MOST SUCCUSSFUL ALLIANCE IN GAME... lol I think you have a ways to go before you own all space. It wasn't a goon poco. I never thought it was a goon poco. Just tell me about the team you had there. Tell me about a team you had anywhere, ever. That's completely irrelevant to this thread. We all understand and agree that people working together is and should be more powerful than people not working together. What is relevant is 35,000 players working together get their space winkies held by the server while they're off sleeping and the requirement for any smaller force (that's the entire server, regardless of whether they're solo or in an alliance) to turn up at a time conveniently chosen by those 35,000 players to get owned. Its stupidity and has nothing to do with soloers. But nice try to derail and obfuscate the issue... didn't work.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:06:00 - [16] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: 35,000 can organise better than 470,000? never but I do like the suggestion that 35,000 have all decided to turn up at the same time and force the rest of known space to capitulate I paid my sub to see that happen Only a very small fraction of that 470,000 live in nullsec. As for the last strawman argument - not interested, troll someone else.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:11:00 - [17] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Oh you mean the POCO?... since when is every POCO in game owned by the in a serious and proud tone THE LARGEST AND MOST SUCCUSSFUL ALLIANCE IN GAME... lol I think you have a ways to go before you own all space. It wasn't a goon poco. I never thought it was a goon poco. Just tell me about the team you had there. Tell me about a team you had anywhere, ever. That's completely irrelevant to this thread. We all understand and agree that people working together is and should be more powerful than people not working together. What is relevant is 35,000 players working together get their space winkies held by the server while they're off sleeping and the requirement for any smaller force (that's the entire server, regardless of whether they're solo or in an alliance) to turn up at a time conveniently chosen by those 35,000 players to get owned. Its stupidity and has nothing to do with soloers. But nice try to derail and obfuscate the issue... didn't work. So nobody but you, huh. You are kind of broken, aren't you? Sometimes goons adopt broken things but you aren't cute like Harry Forever. Not interested. Next. Oh and Privateers? Who created them?
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:20:00 - [18] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: strawman argument You clearly havent the first idea what this over-used ridiculoud statement means You dont listen to reason You have no sense of humour And you are from a corp how takes pride in being AFK cloakers Go troll elsewhere, you pathetic non-entity Am I making you angry :)
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:28:00 - [19] - Quote The Mittani wrote: The CFC shouldn't be so difficult to understand that it merits 13 pages of screeching, though we appreciate it. Take the Reavers from Firefly, put them under an autocratic socialist government, done. Everything we do makes much more sense if you understand what we want and how we go about getting it. We started out as good citizens but then we got invaded that one time in '06 and we went a ~little crazy~, so now we fly with unshielded reactor cores and staple corpses to our ships for decoration. Is that so wrong? Yawn. Having spent the last month in CFC held (not held very well apparantly) I think its more accurate to say you guys hide in a few hub systems, dock up when nuets come into system and rent out systems to anyone that pays you... Your coalition is nothing new, its just BoB Reloaded Reloaded.... or any other extinct too big to be hardcore alliance full of a small core of competent pvp'rs and a large blob of bears....
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:49:00 - [20] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: I think everything we do makes more sense if you think of us as people here to have wacky fun and who don't really care whether we are elite or hardcore enough for ~~poopsocking misfits~~ serious Eve players. So basically, Clowns?
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:55:00 - [21] - Quote I like that, Goon = Space Clown... :)
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 617	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:07:00 - [22] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: I like that, Goon = Space Clown... :) that's not an insult btw. I haven't met any horrible goons, few tried to kill me but otherwise they seemed pretty okay. The renting thing is unacceptable however. Something has to be done about that. We all float out here, Georgie. We rent because that's what CCP wants all null entities to do. I think its unlikely that CCP created all these combat ships and combat oriented structures so that people could turn their game into a big happy pacifist rental sim.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 629	Posted - 2013.10.27 19:51:00 - [23] - Quote Merovee wrote: CFC is just another space Empire. So far no one has found a formula to defeat it. GrrGoons (looks good on ya Mittins, gj) This is true. Now they're renting out space to bears we no longer have an evil empire alliance in EvE. Evil Empires don't let bears live next door or fly through their space. Sad period for EvE Online.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 629	Posted - 2013.10.27 19:54:00 - [24] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Merovee wrote: CFC is just another space Empire. So far no one has found a formula to defeat it. GrrGoons (looks good on ya Mittins, gj) This is true. Now they're renting out space to bears we no longer have an evil empire alliance in EvE. Evil Empires don't let bears live next door or fly through their space. Sad period for EvE Online. Goons are not evil enough. Grrr Goons! Their evilness is kaput.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 638	Posted - 2013.10.28 23:15:00 - [25] - Quote Problem is not with Goons. EvE has always been about big alliances / coalitions, even before alliances officially existed. Problem is with EvE.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 638	Posted - 2013.10.29 02:10:00 - [26] - Quote Movarer wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Problem is not with Goons. EvE has always been about big alliances / coalitions, even before alliances officially existed. Problem is with EvE. Whats the problem? And who says it is? Well its obvious isn't it? Everyone's happy with their space, the big coalitions have lots of it. Its all relatively the same except drone regions which suck but the Russians will take it anyway and no one wants their space. Everyone can just sit back, carebear it up.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 643	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:14:00 - [27] - Quote Cameron Dostya wrote: First time I heard of Goons was they where a large alliance of gankers that war-dec's everyone. (correct me if that is wrong). First time I heard of CFC was that they where a larger group of ganker alliance's (once again let me know if thats false as well). Mainly cause iam hearing this from high-sec miners have lost ships from your Corps/Alliance/Coalition and I have been playing for a few years and its only within the last year i've been hearing much about your guys, so maybe send me some information (propaganda) about yourselves to enlighten me please. CFC are now officially a null carebear enabling group. They actively promote carebearism by renting systems to the non pee bee pee player. Its scandelous.